<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/css" href="/stylesheets/rss.css"?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:trackback="http://madskills.com/public/xml/rss/module/trackback/">
  <channel>
    <title>Object Mentor Blog: Multi-dimensional Seniority</title>
    <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority</link>
    <language>en-us</language>
    <ttl>40</ttl>
    <description></description>
    <item>
      <title>Multi-dimensional Seniority</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I was at a meeting of the &lt;a href="http://groups.softwarecraftsmanship.org"&gt;Chicago Software Craftsmanship group&lt;/a&gt; last night.  Dave Hoover and Paul Pagel were talking about the different apprenticeship models at &lt;a href="obtiva.com"&gt;Obtiva&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="8thlight.com"&gt;8thLight&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;The 8thLight model uses a 90 day probation period during which an &amp;#8220;apprentice&amp;#8221; has an appointed mentor who guides the apprentice to learn enough to become a &amp;#8220;craftsman&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;The Obtiva model is less structured, but there&amp;#8217;s no probationary period.  Once an apprentice had delivered something meaningful for a client, and had been recognized by the others, he/she would become a &amp;#8220;consultant&amp;#8221;, and eventually a &amp;#8220;senior consultant&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Both speakers used the term &amp;#8220;journeyman&amp;#8221; but neither defined it.  Both speakers agreed that 90 days, or a year, or even two years was insufficient for an apprentice to become a true journeyman.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;After the talk I started to ponder this question of seniority.  What makes a software developer senior?  Certainly the amount of time spent in a career is a big factor.  Someone with 15 years of experience is certainly senior.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;However, there&amp;#8217;s that old joke about the guy who had 15 years of experience, the same year fifteen times in a row.   That&amp;#8217;s a real concern.  It is perfectly possible to work for 15 years and dig yourself into a rut you can&amp;#8217;t get out of.  Think of all those Cobol programmers who never learned anything else.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Both Paul and Dave talked about how they planned for their apprentices to grow with the company.  They both lamented apprentices that had left the company to do other things.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;This made me think about the apprentices we&amp;#8217;ve had at Object Mentor.  (Paul was one of them.  Dave was almost another.) Over the years we&amp;#8217;ve had seven or so apprentices.  Today, we have none.  Not a single apprentice has stayed at Object Mentor.  Is this bad?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;It hasn&amp;#8217;t been bad for the apprentices.  Two went on to form their own company (8thLight).  Others have made names for themselves in the community.  More than one has written a book.  Nearly all are passionate craftsmen who care about their profession, and who are making an impact.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;It wasn&amp;#8217;t bad for Object Mentor either.  The apprentices moved on when it was a good time for them to move on, and we have kept good relationships with them. More than one customer has come our way because of referrals from past apprentices.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;So at the end of the meeting, when everyone had milled away from the central area, I went to the whiteboard and scratched out a simple diagram.  It was an graph with Seniority on the horizontal axis, and Journey on the vertical axis.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Then I drew a nearly horizontal line starting from the origin and hugging the Seniority axis.  This is the career path of the guy who has the same year of experience 15 times in a row.  Let&amp;#8217;s call him Sam.  Then I drew another line which was a stair-step that went towards the upper right at something less then a 45 degree angle.  This is the career path of a developer who changes jobs a few times during his/her career.  Let&amp;#8217;s call her Jasmine.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3213134571_2df4411867.jpg" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#8217;t think there is a vertical path.  The only way to go on a journey is to spend some time at it, and that drives you horizontally.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;OK, now maybe I&amp;#8217;ve just spent a dozen paragraphs explaining the obvious.  To-wit: A journeyman is a journeyman because he/she&amp;#8217;s gone on a journey.  Does that journey &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to involve changing employers?  I think it probably does.  You see, there&amp;#8217;s a problem.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;The student/teacher relationship is persistent.  At least in my experience it is.  The only way for a teacher and student to ever consider themselves to be peers is for the relationship to break and then reform later in a new context.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Sam, has remained an apprentice, even though he&amp;#8217;s got lots of experience.  Why?  Because he still works with his original mentors who consider him to be their student.  Jasmine, on the other hand, has seen the world, experienced many different situations in many different places.  She could become a master.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;OK, ok.  I&amp;#8217;m belaboring the point.  So let me conclude.  If you are considering an apprenticeship program it seems to me that the most important aspect of that program is that the relationship is &lt;em&gt;temporary&lt;/em&gt;, and results in a journey.  In other words, don&amp;#8217;t expect to hold on to your apprentices for very long.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:10:38 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:acdf3fec-4d45-4652-95f9-ba8d5b999fb7</guid>
      <author>Uncle Bob</author>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority</link>
      <category>Uncle Bob's Blatherings</category>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Richard Martin</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Keep posting fantastic articles like this one. you are indeed an excellent author.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:04:41 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:140c7f83-66a6-4989-98d6-9e66cbbefe69</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-202055</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by indianapolis superbowl</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I was wondering because how would this multi dimensional seniority works? How are we going to use it then? Can you give us more tutorials on it? Thanks a lot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:43:46 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:2fe9233d-365e-4181-b213-6d03a69381dc</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-201530</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by clutch Components</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;nice blog&amp;#8230;.......&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://rincoclutch.in/clutch-cover-assemblies.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;clutch cover assemblies&lt;/a&gt;
 &lt;a href="http://www.rincoclutch.in" rel="nofollow"&gt;Automatic Disk Clutch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:33:52 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:c08e5f12-48a2-4fb3-93da-16811f0efd6a</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-200818</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by ups battery</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;This is an amazing article. I love the idea and I believe this give us a closer look on the author&#8217;s life. It is inspiring to do the same thing. More information from Leoch International &lt;a href="http://www.leoch.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.leoch.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:14:43 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:38f6e71a-6ed5-428b-8b82-28784cf6ff0e</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-200804</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Pin Up Dress</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the great blog post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:38:26 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:bb6a89e3-4c28-4af6-a8cc-862de5d7a4be</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-200359</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by payday loans</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I like this kind mutual communication very much. I can learn much from that. The opinion that everyone gives also can be as useful information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:02:40 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:ed670dd1-e8be-4eb6-9f3a-c0d165a5f72e</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-199671</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by SD Acquisitions</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for sharing this information and I&#8217;ll love to read your next post too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:35:10 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:375e5a21-d9c1-45a3-b560-fa6e0416401f</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-199108</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Manchester Interactive Marketing</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;This is a good read for me, Must admit that you are one of the best blogger I ever saw. Thanks for posting this informative post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:33:59 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:3e64401f-b7fa-429f-84a7-f8acb3c8e48b</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-199107</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Escorts Job</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;It&#8217;s good to see this information in your post, I was looking the same but there was not any proper resource, thanx now I Thank to the post.I really loved reading your blog.It was very well authored and easy to understand&amp;#8230;&lt;a href="http://girlrecruit.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Escorts Job&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:05:21 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:66cf277d-9580-4855-a5f6-e24338e663be</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-199048</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Office Supplies UK</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I agree. Great 1&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:40:38 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:909a8732-ad72-40be-bb78-769fa587bab8</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-198697</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Fancy Dress</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for such a great blog post. Very enjoyable to read.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:39:36 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:eb49e90c-6c82-49e0-ad4b-5a573abe2c05</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-198696</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by doctor ratings and reviews</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I really appreciate your post. Game theory is gives an outstanding idea that is very helpful for all the people on the web. Thanks for sharing this information and I&amp;#8217;ll love to read your next post too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:56:21 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:b570419a-0387-4529-b3b8-496d7c6187af</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-198688</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by http://www.poloralphlaurenoutlet.co.uk</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;thanks!love it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:28:33 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:72871e23-53da-40a9-b39c-562bb0d47953</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-197406</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by viagra in india</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder.. is there a chance that stickiness be accentuated by having a designated apprentice role? And if that&#8217;s the case, is it something worth getting over or is it better to just accept it? I think it&#8217;s an important open question.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:21:04 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:72602559-7bd3-4cd8-9237-3b07941b1183</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-197315</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by outlet juicy couture</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Shopping inside a incredibly &lt;a href="http://www.outlet-juicy-couture.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;outlet juicy couture&lt;/a&gt; sale in regards to the web can be incredibly a great offer handy especially once the regional shop outlet exactly where it is possible to buy the item that you desire is a good offer out of your area. Apart from this, going to malls demands some trip and of course, you would ought to devote resources to the fare of going to mall.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:02:27 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:52caf47f-942f-4600-894e-65afeeeac288</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-196067</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by List Of Free Directories</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Ya&amp;#8230;it&amp;#8217;s really great article. I never seen in this type of article.I got lot of information. Thanks for sharing.&lt;a href="http://freedirectory-addurl.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;List Of Free Directories&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:25:43 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:5dc8b55f-1a37-417c-b75c-5899d39ded90</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-195844</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by ball valve</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Many good articles, I like your point of view, I hope you write some of valve, you and I to exchange views&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:27:19 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:02486c1d-eaee-452e-a9a5-db1723728a18</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-194646</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by songs</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.songznlyrics.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.songznlyrics.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:33:42 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:636787d7-bdbf-4b3d-a218-7a86e43c2c00</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-193291</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by songs</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://songznlyrics" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://songznlyrics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:29:45 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:a94c91ce-a0ac-4f95-81f2-b5c831b3f6ea</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-193289</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by hair suppliers</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;been putting on making your site such an interesting and informative place to browse through. I&#8217;ll be visiting your site again to gather&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:49:19 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:0f3440d8-4e1c-4971-9db8-67262c59b9d0</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-190440</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by kamalverma516@gmail.com</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Moncler Outlet But the real makes the brand of reforming is still in 1998 under FinPart group industrial finally move. Pepper Continue to rally before Moncler the strategic plan in the head office. &lt;a href="http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:24:30 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:adce1ccf-658a-4a4a-b8a6-8e4c640ed396</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-189694</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by Uniform Designers</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Fashionizer.com is the leading provider with a distinguished history in quality apparel. They offer stylish, comfortable, organic spa uniforms and cotton spa uniforms. Fashionizer.com is a market leader, and our spa uniforms are available worldwide.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:07:18 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:7cf13aaa-6171-470b-b291-e4ee0a03f4a3</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-189161</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by graduate school personal statement</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for the efforts you been putting on making your site such an interesting and informative place to browse through. I&amp;#8217;ll be visiting your site again to gather some more valuable information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:09:39 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:536923d8-403f-4447-aefa-69f753655a59</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-189036</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by tratamiento humedades</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I should definitely pronounce, impressed using your website. I had created little difficulty navigating through all of the tabs and even related information became truly straightforward to do to access. I recently found what I hoped for in no time in the least. Reasonably unusual. Excellent task..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:49:11 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:e4832140-66bc-45f3-a026-c48293be5def</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-186505</link>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>"Multi-dimensional Seniority" by tratamiento humedades</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I should definitely pronounce, impressed using your website. I had created little difficulty navigating through all of the tabs and even related information became truly straightforward to do to access. I recently found what I hoped for in no time in the least. Reasonably unusual. Excellent task..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:48:13 -0600</pubDate>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">urn:uuid:d77fbdc6-ecb2-4b27-b7f0-ae88449956b7</guid>
      <link>http://blog.objectmentor.com/articles/2009/01/20/multi-dimensional-seniority#comment-186503</link>
    </item>
  </channel>
</rss>

